Phase 3 BRIDGE trial to compare GEM/DOC vs BCG

4 days 23 hours ago #61988 by sara.anne
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Very interesting summary, Joe!  Thank you

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5 days 8 hours ago #61987 by joea73
I saw a presentation by Dr. Ashish Kamat of MD ANDERSONS explaining that the reason why BCG is administered thee weeks  for maintenance is because the immune response peaks at at 3rd dose, and start declining if the 4h dose is given.  They tested the amount of interleukin-2 in urine which regulates CD8 T-cell.   CD-T-cells kill BCG infected bladder cancer cells. Declining of  interleukin-2 indicates that  T-cells are being exhausted.   Note that for the same reason, 6 weeks administration of BCG are considered optimum.  There are so called memory T-cells.   Though  most T-cells initially invoked by BCG die 2-3 days after they are invoked by BCG, some percentage of T-cells continue to live.  Technically speaking though I do not know how long  Memory T-cells live off hand, Memory T-cells give durability of BCG treatment.  A case in point, BCG treatment gives about 55% complete response for CIS by initial 6 weeks treatment, but the complete response rate increases to 85% at 9 months without maintenance treatment.  This is due to Memory T-cells.

Chemotherapy uses body's ability to lead cell to Apoptosis (Self Death)  when a cell division cycle. fails.  Gemcitabine interferes  the process of DNA replication in early part of cell division cycle and Docetaxel interferes building of microtubules just before the cell divides into two daughter cells. In both cases, it invokes apoptosis, killing cancer cell. Actually kills normal cells too but normal cell do not go into cell division cycle often whereas cancer cells are constantly dividing. So, chemotherapy kills many cancer cells but a few healthy cells.  Chemotherapy does not offer durability as BCG does not rely on immune systems as BCG treatment does.

I do not know when and how they came up with 6 weeks initial treatment for intravesical chemotherapy.  Intravesical chemotherapy was first used in 1903 and various chemo agent were tried.    I see 1995 publication of a study tested Epirubicin for CIS and T1HG.  Patients were given intravesical Epirubicin for weekly for 10 weeks without maintenance.  In the current AUA guidelines, a six week course of  intravesical chemotherapy or immunotherapy  is recommended.  Also, it says that in an intermediate patient who completely responded to an induction course of intravesical chemotherapy, a clinician may utilize maintenance therapy.  It does not say how often at what interval.  

Dr. Michael O'Donnell of Univ of Iowa is know as a  early guru for NMIBC along with Dr. Lamm of Univ of Arizona.  Dr. Michael O'donnell is considered as a guru for intravesical chemotherapy, and devised six new intravesical chemotherapy treatment.  Dr. O'Donnell began studying of intravesical chemotherapy combinations over two decades.   So, probably we can take the treatment protocol 6 weeks + monthly maintenance as the result of his years of study and clinical experiences which gave the most efficacy with acceptable toxicity.
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6 days 23 hours ago #61986 by sara.anne
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That is part of the question this trial is designed to answer.  They are comparing the currently most common dosage schedules of both.
One might ask, instead, why are they giving BCG three weeks at a time for 30 months?  Is it because it is less effective?

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1 week 36 minutes ago #61985 by Shacky73
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Why would they use GEM/DOC monthly after induction?  Does that infer a therapeutic efficacy less than BCG?

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2 weeks 4 days ago #61960 by sara.anne
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Thank you for posting this, Joe!!  

Usually the clinical trials that we see are rather specialized and don't apply to many of us.  This one looks as if it would apply to a lot of us.............and the number of participating locations is amazing.  I hope that those of us waiting for BCG will investigate participating.

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2 weeks 5 days ago #61959 by joea73
By now, we became familiar with Gemcitabine and Docetaxel (GEM/DOC) sequential treatment for BCG unresponsive and alternative to BCG when BCG is in shortage.   Several participants on this forum posted their experience wit GEM/DOC including its efficacy and side effects.  Also retrospective studies often conducted by University of Iowa team who developed the GEM/DOC treatment protocol and tested its efficacy for BCG naive and BCG experienced patients with very good outcomes.  But, those studies did not include randomized comparisons between GEM/DOC and BCG.  Phase 3 BRIDGE trial plans to recruit about1000 patients and test sites are located several states, with Colorado hosting the most test sites (19).   Participants will be followed for 5 years after the completion of the treatment.  Patients who are selected for BCG will received usual 6 weeks induction + 3 weeks maintenance at months 3,6,12,18,24, 30. Patients with GEM/DOC will  receive treatment of 6 weeks + monthly for up to 2 year.  The completion of the trial is expected to be in 2029.  

medicine.uiowa.edu/content/alternative-bladder-cancer-treatment-emerges-amid-worldwide-shortage-standard-care-bcg

www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/clinical-trials/search/v?id=NCI-2022-04864&r=1

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