Disaster

15 years 5 months ago #22458 by Gracie
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Hello Barb,

I'm speechless. What a horrific experience. I have always had a seriously questionable opinion of Kaiser - this story does it. I would absolutely take your story to the powers to be at Kaiser and insist on having them pay for a specialist outside of their system. Obviously they do not have one (specialist). Right now I'm sure you and your sister just want to make sure the right decisions are made going forward. There are Cancer Centers not far from San Diego - City of Hope I think is very close. Then there is of course UC Norris (in LA) and I believe Patricia gave you the doctors there. From what I have heard UC Norris is one of the premiere hospitals - particularly for BC. Even if she were to pay for a consult initially just to get another opinion. It might also help you in dealing/negotiating with Kaiser.

I am continually reminded of how specialized this surgery is. Your sister has endured so much already. I pray that you are able to get her in competent hands very, very soon.

Best,
Gracie

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15 years 5 months ago #22457 by Barbw
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Pat...Just for your info.....The Cleveland Clinic can not do 2nd opinions for people who live in California. Thanks anyway, Barb

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15 years 5 months ago #22454 by Barbw
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Oops...just wen to the cleveland site and realized it's done online. Thanks, Barb

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15 years 5 months ago #22453 by Barbw
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Thanks so much for the info. She had breast cancer, thyroid cancer, cancer of the uterus, and the two different types of bladder cancer!!!! They say they have all been seperate cancers with surgeries. Thanks for acknowledging that I knew more than this doctor, ha ha. I would set up an appointment in Cleveland but she lives in San Diego!!!!! Thanks so much Pat Barb

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15 years 5 months ago #22452 by Patricia
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I don't know what to say? This is a horror story. Your research and instincts are correct....with urethra involvement a neo should not have been done. I can cite a zillion papers on that. I don't know if maybe trying a second opinion from The Cleveland Clinic might help here...its not covered by insurance but its reasonable ..about $750..and first rate.
my.clevelandclinic.org/eclevelandclinic/myconsult/default.aspx
Possibly the Patients Advocate Foundation could help?
www.patientadvocate.org/
You mentioned 5 cancers in 2 yrs? May i ask what kind.......and if possibly some of this is related?
So sorry..........Pat

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15 years 5 months ago - 15 years 5 months ago #22451 by Barbw
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Hello All, Well, my sister had her neo on Oct. 7th. I just returned home after taking care of her in San Diego. It has been a nightmare from day one. I had told her to find out how many of these surgeries he had done and his nurse said about 45 a year so I was relieved at that. Wrong information! I got to S.D. a few days early so I could discuss things with her surgeon. Well, both the surgeon and assistant surgeon were out of the country until right before her surgery and were unreachable. She wanted to go ahead with the surgery anyway in spite of my misgivings. From all my research I was under the impression that if there was any cancer in the opening to the urethra or in the urethra that everything should be removed and she should be fitted with an external bag.

Well, after a 10 1/2 hour surgery I finally get to talk to her doctor. He said the surgery took so long because he had to cut the urethra back 3 times to get rid of the cancer!!!!!!!!!!! Didn't he know that women have a short urethra to start with!!!!!!!!!! Well, he was convinced the surgery was a success. About 5 days later he comes into her hospital room and says that he got the final lab results and there is still cancer in her urethra and in the tube going to her kidney!!!!!!!!! Needless to say I was in shock. He said he was planning to go back into surgery and give her an external bag but he called a "specialist" in Los Angeles and the specialist advised him not to do that but just to WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He said that if he went to the external bag now, she could have diarehha (spelling?) that was almost impossible to control. So I asked if she would be getting Chemo and he said no that they were just going to watch it. So 11 days after her surgery I get her home.

The instructions from the hospital said she was to have a follow up apt. with the surgeon in 10 days. Well, nobody called so I kept calling his office for at least a week and they kept telling me he had no apts. available. Finally I got really upset and said she needed an apt. now to check the cath they had left in her. The nurse finally told me that her surgeon had been out of the country again and wouldn't be back until November 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I tried, for my sister's sake, to stay calm. I said they needed to make an apt. with the asst. surgeon IMMEDIATELY!!!! WELL, he removed the cath and wanted her to self cath 4 times a day and flush her new bladder!!! My sister had brain surgery and can't learn new things very well so he agreed to twice a day. I have notes all over the walls telling her the steps on cathing so she finally is able to do that. The doctor made a follow up apt. and said for her to go give urine and blood a few days before her apt.

Well, we did that and then, right before I left his office called and cancelled the apt and said would reschedule. Well, of course this has not happened. I'm sorry to go on and on but, believe me, I have only listed a small part of the seemingly incompetent behavior of these surgeons. My questions are these...1. Am I correct in thinking that they should have gone with the external bag as soon as cancer was detected in the urethra while she was still in surgery? Especially after snipping back 3 sections of the urethra because of finding cancer? 2. Do you think she has any hope of contenence with even a shorter urethra? (She has ZERO contro now) 3. Do any of you have any suggestions about where to go from here? 4. Do you think she should be having chemo?

I'm thinking that the total incompetence shown by this Kaiser doctor should warrent them paying for her to see an outside specialist. I am just so sick about all this and she my sister is so amazing. She is going to sit down exercise class and is driving and I love her so much. I couldn't function with having gone through 5 different cancers and then this disaster in 2 1/2 years. Thanks for any words of advice or encouragement Love, Barbara

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