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  • Stage 2 diagnosed from TURBT; What should I ask my urologist next week?

    Posted by MoreLife on April 14, 2017 at 11:57 pm

    Greetings. 54-year-old male, new to this forum. Thought I was in good health, routine checkup led in a few short weeks to where I stand now: Had a TURBT earlier this week, just got lab results confirming it’s cancer and indicating it is an aggressive one that has invaded the muscle. Hopefully no more than Stage 2 (CT scan was clean and urologist says it appears to be just the one site). I’ll be seeing the urologist early next week; he’s well-credentialed and I have confidence in him, so of course I’ll be looking to him much more than to a forum for treatment recommendations. (From reading I’m anticipating that given it’s invaded the muscle, he’ll be recommending either a partial or radical cystectomy, but we left the treatment discussion for next week’s meeting; he just called to convey the lab results, as I’d requested.). But what should I be asking him? Are there questions that those of you who’ve been here before me wish you’d asked earlier?

    Alan replied 7 years, 5 months ago 5 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Alan

    Member
    April 17, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    MoreLife,

    While your DX is not complete let’s hope either way it is put to rest on what to do. If it is stage 2 and a cystectomy is needed, you are acting wisely and choosing life!

    Also, many of us have bookmarked a wonderful summary from the Cleveland Clinic that is very helpful on the 3 main diversions available. The important item here is to use one that does MANY/month! https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/urinary-reconstruction-and-diversion


    DX 5/6/2008 TAG3 papillary tumor .5 CM in size. 2 TURBS followed by 6 instillations of BCG weekly with a second round of 6 after a 6 week wait.
  • MoreLife

    Member
    April 17, 2017 at 11:23 am

    Thanks all.

    Will be seeing if I can get a timely second opinion appointment at Johns Hopkins or NIH (fortunately, we live in the DC suburbs so have lots of excellent medical resources nearby). Steeling myself to follow the likely advice to get a radical rather than partial cystectomy, while hoping that the surgery and follow-up treatments gets it all and that there’s some way to reconstruct a bladder.

  • Alan

    Member
    April 15, 2017 at 10:59 pm

    Welcome MoreLife. We are all sorry why you are here. I am attaching a pre-op questionaire that has way too many questions and many are not applicable to every situation but, it is a good start as I am assuming your URO will strongly suggest a radical cystectomy. At the same time a second opinion may also be wise for peace of mind. Ask away on anything, someone here has been there and done that.

    Attachments:


    DX 5/6/2008 TAG3 papillary tumor .5 CM in size. 2 TURBS followed by 6 instillations of BCG weekly with a second round of 6 after a 6 week wait.
  • MadLove

    Member
    April 15, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    Dear MoreLife,

    Consider getting a consultation with a BC specialist.

    My husband was planning to get BC care from the local Uro who oversaw the initial CT and Cysto exams. The TURBT was scheduled a month after the Cysto.

    During that time and research, we found the forum and read the frequent advice to get a second opinion.

    We did, and as a result, switched to a BC specialist at a center of excellence teaching hospital 100 miles from home.

    Having a BC specialist providing care has provided enormous peace of mind for our whole family over the past two years.

    Wherever you receive your care, bring a notebook with your questions written in advance and have a family member or friend with you as another set of ears and to help keep notes.

    Best wishes.


    Husband’s journey:
    01/2015 1st cystoscopy
    03&04/2015 TURBTs-CIS
    07/2015 Finished BCGx6
    08/2015 biopsy-BENIGN!
    10/2015 Finished BCGx3
    12/2015 Cysto, redness
    01/2016 TURBT, Benign
    04/2016 Cysto
    05/2016 Finished BCGx3
    07&11/2016 Cysto’s
    1/2017 Finished BCGx3
    2/2017 Cysto, redness
    3/2017 TURBT, Cysto due 9/2017
  • dougg

    Member
    April 15, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    Question for your doctor: How many of this particular procedure do you perform in a year? How long will the surgery take? What kind of incisions can I expect? What is the expected recovery time? These questions and their answers is what sent us to Vanderbilt (a hospital specializing in bladder cancer care) when Doug had a more elaborate procedure than a TURBT.

    Glad to hear your CT was clean.

    Best wishes,
    Anita


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  • jack-r

    Member
    April 15, 2017 at 6:13 am

    MoreLife,

    Welcome to the forum. People posting here are bladder cancer patients, not doctors; rather than medical advice you will be offered the experiences of patients to consider.

    First, here are two links to background material that will provide a basis for the upcoming discussion(s) with your care team. As the team begins to settle on a particular treatment option, you will find more focused information to be helpful.

    National Cancer Institute multi-page basics about bladder cancer,
    https://www.cancer.gov/types/bladder
    American Cancer Society description of *SOME* possible treatments for the various stages of bladder cancer,
    https://www.cancer.org/cancer/bladder-cancer/treating/by-stage.html

    Questions, and COMPLETE answers, are critical for dealing with bladder cancer. You need to fully understand how bladder cancer treatment and surgery can physically change your body and bodily functions, and how changes may impact your daily life. There are options; you want to know about ALL of your options.

    Bladder cancer surgery, being major, usually warrants a second opinion.

    Important questions may include the following, depending on your situation:

    Will your local Urologist be providing full treatment of follow-up services ?
    Will you be referred to a bladder cancer specialist for consultation or surgery ?
    Has the biopsy material been submitted for a second opinion ?
    Does the biopsy material provide a clear margin surrounding the cancer ? Is there any evidence of invasion beyond muscle tissue ? How deep into muscle tissue ?

    At each level of consultation, ask about options for treatment and how a particular course of treatment may impact YOUR daily life.

    When a recommendation has been offered, ask, “Who is best qualified for this?”

    The care team needs to know about you. Spill your guts about your concerns, desires and fears about the cancer journey. The care team needs to be focused on YOUR issues, and to do so they need to hear from you throughout the process.

    It is easy to “get lost” in the maze of modern medicine. Ask, and always know, “Who can I call, in a position of authority, 24/7, during treatment when a problem arises.”

    Hoping this helps you prepare for a treatment discussion,

    Best
    Jack


    6/2015 HG Papillary & CIS
    3 Years and 30 BCG/BCG+Inf
    Tis CIS comes back.
    BC clear as of 5/17 !
    RCC found in my one & only kidney 10/17
    Begin Chemo; Cisplatin and Gemzar
    8/18 begin Chemo# 3
    Begin year 4 with cis
    2/19 Chemo #4
    9/19 NED again :)
    1/2020 CIS is back
    Tried Keytruda, stopped by side effects
    Workin on a new plan for 2021

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