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Bacon and BC! Has anyone else read this?
The Daily Mail in the UK has ran article about the link between bacon and bladder cancer. A study of 135,000 over 22 years by the world renowned Harvard School of Public Health confirmed that 800 of those surveyed developed bladder cancer and statistics suggested that those who ate bacon more than 5 times a week were 59% more likely to develop the disease!
Steve has given up his cigarettes but I know he won’t give up his bacon sandwiches – which he has once a week! Have you heard about this study in the US?
Rab
GP aware of haematura in Jan 06
Diagnosed BC Nov 06
T1G3 with CIS
Age 46, Smoked since 15, gave up at diagnosis20 Replies-
Hey its anybodys guess…you could name any food and come out with that percentage…look at what we are feeding the cows, pigs, and chickens!!!..thats enough to kill ya. And if Coke will clean your toilet what do you suppose it does to your bladder? Greed is killing us…. we can’t even eat our spinach and lettuce anymore and the latest was tomatoes …..ever go to the FDA recall page?…
My grandmother cooked every meal with left over bacon fat or lard…my grandfather smoked cigars, cigarettes and a pipe. They got nothing but old age.
I’m not buying into any of this!……………… -
Bob,
Wait until I show that link to my granddaughter. Ought to make for some very interesting conversation. Guess I will go back to Frank Perdue as his chickens sure are a lot cheaper. ;)
Thanks for the link….Jean -
Well, as the article says: more research is needed. It’s the old cause-and-affect puzzle. Maybe those people that (or is it who?) ate 5 bacon sandwiches a week, also smoked and worked as hair dyers and ate high fat diets, etc.
and Jmema, you can eat free range chickens because you feel sorry for cooped up chickens but even cooped up chickens haven’t had any growth hormones since 1959 (common myth). ;)http://www.plamondon.com/faq_myths.html
my 2 cents.
I’m going to stick to a low fat (no red meat, no bacon), high veg./fruit/soy diet that includes some white meat chicken for now until there is a proven link. We have to have some fun in life………… :)
Bob P
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Here’s the whole article…. :-X
http://www.nerve.in/news:25350025482
Rosemary
Age – 55
T1 G3 – Tumor free 2 yrs 3 months
Dx January 2006
I have mentioned before that my granddaughter is a certified vet tech and is trained in homeopathic treatment of animals and has done a lot of studying about people as well. She has always told me that nitrates are terrible and to stay away from bacon and smoked meats. She does not eat red meat. Only chicken, fish and turkey. Lots of veggies, fruits and beans. All organic. She was stunned when I told her about the chicken. She is going to do some research. What I don’t undertand is why skinless chicken. If it’s organic (free range) chicken what could be wrong with it. I do not eat “regular” chicken because of all the growth hormones they give them.I would hate to have to give that up since it’s one of my favorite things and I always felt like I was doing the right thing to eat that as opposed to a pork chop or big piece of steak. My goodness Claire, we are going to have to find a new favorite food. :o
Jean
Even though our diets varied from vegetarian, to no meat, to organic to herbs to whatever other type nutritional plan we followed that differed. I bet there was one thing that was similiar in all of us who contracted bladder cancer – STRESS. I believe that to be the cause of all dis-ease. Get the play on words.
OH MY GOD
My favorite meal is chicken breast wrapped in chicken with salad and new potatoes.Surely that cant be why I got bladder cancer.I dont drink other than hi days and holidays have never smoked and am not exposed to enviromental chemicals.
I may have had my favorite tea for the last time this cant be true honestly can it?
Claire x
Bob,
After reading that article about nitrites and nitrates in cosmetics, I’m glad that I’ve been making my own face creams!!
The part about Vitamin C and Vitamin E was interesting.
I just ran a search on topixnet and found this from Nerve India…
Researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston looked at data for 136,000 people and found that people who ate bacon at least five times a week were 59 percent more likely to develop the disease, reports the online edition of BBC.
People who frequently ate skinless chicken had a 52 percent greater risk, researchers said in the study that appeared in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
I may quit chicken again!! :-/
I also found this interesting article from Loma Linda University (Seventh Day Adventist) RE: Vegetarianism…
It is interesting to note that, adjusting for age and sex alone, vegetarians in the study population had a lower risk than non-vegetarians for every one of the cancers mentioned. In some instances, the differences were relatively slight, but in every case the risk for vegetarians was lower. Thus, vegetarians are an interesting group with respect to cancer risk. Is the active principle in this case the diet or some other attribute of vegetarians? There is clear evidence that vegetarians tend to differ from non-vegetarians in many ways aside from the consumption of flesh foods. For instance, vegetarians tend to be less obese, drink less coffee, and eat more legumes and vegetarian protein products. In addition, they exercise more regularly.
Consequently, it is entirely possible that some of these other lifestyle and dietary attributes are the active principles in vegetarianism rather than just the absence of flesh foods. The previous analyses seem to show that, with the exception of bladder and perhaps colon cancer, dietary variables other than the absence of meat are more likely to be the active principles in reducing the risk of cancer. For instance, vegetarians tend to eat more fruit, legumes, and vegetarian protein products, and these foods are probably anticarcinogenic in and of themselves. However, [highlight]the consumption of meat may also have some carcinogenic influence, and evidence of this may have been found for at least bladder cancer.[/highlight]
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Here is the whole article…you’ve got me thinking!!
http://www.llu.edu/llu/health/cancer.html
Rosemary
Rosemary
Age – 55
T1 G3 – Tumor free 2 yrs 3 months
Dx January 2006
Hey Bob!
Thanks for the ariticle and I’m so glad your Doctor said that. I wish my doc had said that, cause that is what I’ve been thinking about my own situation.
I have not touched red meat (Pig or Cow) in almost 30 years and have maintained a high fiber, low fat diet for as long as I can remember.
I haven’t had to see a General Practioner in 10 or so years because of robust good health and treating myself with herbs and nutrition.
There are those who look at me askance, as if to say, “yeah, and maybe those herbs gave you cancer”, but I think to myself “maybe those herbs is what saved me”. But, you will never convince them of that!
I like your Doc!!!
:D
Rosemary
Age – 55
T1 G3 – Tumor free 2 yrs 3 months
Dx January 2006
Rosemary,
Well, I see diets high in animal fat and saturated fats linked to various cancers (even bladder cancer) as possible causes but nitrates and nitrites have been studied over and over for many years and don’t seem to be linked. Of course one never knows for sure but here’s an interesting article:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=950CE4D81438F932A25751C1A967948260What’s frustrating for me is that for the last 30 years I have been on a diet low in meat, saturated fat, and high in anit-oxidants, high fiber, lots of fruit and vegetables and fish, non fat dairy, regular excercise, etc. and I still get the tumor. Of course, the doc says: “Well, maybe it would have been worse if you didn’t do all those things.”
I guess it’s like the song says: “It just goes to show you never can tell”.Bob P
I read this too – I just wonder if the same would apply for hog roasts in a bun??? Mind you I dont really eat too many of either and still managed to aqcquire BC.
Sally
T1B G2
Very interesting idea, Bob! I have read a little about the deactivization(?) of a tumor suppressing gene in relation to bladder cancer.
My aunt had kidney cancer. She lived in the country and they raised pigs. What I remember about her was that she kept a lard (pig grease) bucket on the floor. When she cooked biscuits she would scoop a handful of that lard into the flour. She also added it to all her cooked vegetables.
When I remember my aunt, two things come to mind….kidney cancer and lard.
I have often wondered if there was a connection.
However, with the bacon issue, I wonder if it is the nitrites in bacon that is under suspicion and not the meat itself….? :-/
Rosemary
Age – 55
T1 G3 – Tumor free 2 yrs 3 months
Dx January 2006
I don’t think the carcinogens hang around that long, Rosemary. But what might happen is the carcinogens affect the genes that “turn off” the cancer cells. Then it might take many years for the genes to mutate and stop doing their work leading to a multiplication of un-normal (cancerous) cells somewhere down the line.
I’m no expert but just my 2 cents.
I know they are doing a lot of research in this area (gene abnormalities) so I’m sure we will see some interesting results in the future.
Bob P
I don’t see how this one could apply to my cancer as I have not had a piece of bacon in my mouth in over 30 years.
When the Mayo Clinic diet was popular about 40 years ago, I lived on bacon, grapefruit and hot dogs.
Wonder if carcinogens hang around that long?I do, however, eat chicken without the skin. Uh-oh Rabbit, maybe we are on to something here!
Ro
Rosemary
Age – 55
T1 G3 – Tumor free 2 yrs 3 months
Dx January 2006
Oh great! For the last 10 years or so I have gone on and on about eating chicken without skin, as ‘with’ was so much more fattening etc and all the ‘foodies’ constantly go on about removing fat from diet etc. So, we probably eat skinless chicken at least 3 times a week! Not stopping either. Being a Brit, our consumption of bacon maybe higher than other countries – do we have more pigs? – a trip down the ‘greasy spoon’ for a well brewed cup of tea, fag and bacon sarnie, is the staple of many!!
Greg, Rabbit stands for Bunny – a nickname given to me when I first met Steve! I think I could change that to Sloth now actually!!! Hmm, Blooms, my ex took me there once …
I shall try and unearth more info relating to this study because, like you, I am intrigued to know actually what ‘bit of the bacon’ is the problem. Cut, smoked or unsmoked, with rind or without – from Asda or Marks and Spencers – the list is endless. How on earth do they follow people’s dietary habits for 22 years?
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T1G3 with CIS
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