Thanks Pat for adding a sense of the seriousness of all this ....You are so correct that this (the vitamins and other supplements etc.) should not be taken lightly if at all. This is dangerous territory and I appreciate your realism and your warnings and I suggest everyone check with their own Uro’s/ Onco.s pharmacist etc. before taking any of this. I was going to post your previous warnings to me with my note but Honest in my rush I just forgot ,,,So thank you for helping us all to keep it real ! And Yes I do want to hear from you every time I write something dumb or without adding a warning about the danger of it all!
Thanks ..Your pal
P.S. Pat is not just speaking without research and knowledge as well as a degree in pharmacology...so thanks again!
OK..want to know what my Pharmacist says about Oncovite? NO i'll bet not.
36,000 IU's of Vitamin A (thats 4 times a day as each tablet has 9000IU)...half of it is water soluable so it will run right out of your system...but the other half has the ability to do some damage. Recommended dosage is 5000 IU's a day......I know Dr. Lamms a great guru but i'm not buying it....just my opinion.
Following are some emails we exchanged with Dr. Lamm concerning oncovite and more –I hope they help.
Following are copies of the emails ...
Question: My husband (59) has been recently diagnosed with T1 Grade 3
> Bladder Cancer. (Resection in May 07) He is being treated at Mem Sloan
> Kettering and by our Florida Urologist (BCG treatments for 6 wks)
> However, we read about Oncovite and he began taking it. Our question is
> the proper dosage. He weighs 150 lbs. Is 4/day correct? He stopped all
> other vitamins- Centrum SR multi C, E.
> agree: yes
> Submit: Submit Question
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
> (@hotmail.com) on Friday, July 6, 2007 at 12:40:02
Subject: Re: Ask Dr. Lamm
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Yes, the dose for bladder tumor patients is 4 a day. While the
preparation is all "good vitamins", you can have too much of a good thing.
It is important that anyone who might become pregnant not take Oncovite.
The vitamin A in it causes differentiation or maturation of cells. This
is good when treating cancer, but bad when making babies.
He might also add Selenium 200 ug a day. Other lifestyle and diet aspects
can also be helpful, and I like to try to stack the cards all in the
patients' favor. He obviously has a supportive wife- enjoy your time
together and support one another. Exercise, particularly aerobic exercise
up to the point that it is still somewhat "fun" is helpful. Fruits and
vegetables, and particularly fruit, is beneficial in reducing the risk of
bladder cancer. Pomegranate and garlic (not together! yuck) has shown
some specific anticancer effects.
Thanks for asking and good luck,
Don Lamm, MD
Hi all –more “Ask Dr. Lamm “ questions ...bringing more answers and more questions...
This was our most recent question and Dr. Lamm’s response. I think I understand that he is answering the protocol part of the email and not the Oncovite duration part.... Does anyone else have an idea of how long one should continue? 4 caplets a day is for some of the vitamins contained in the caplets thousands of times a day the “average daily requirements”.... but who knows..if it truly works it is certainly worth it !
Anyway, I thought I would share the question and response and say hello and also share the certain hope that all who are reading this are on the mend....
P.S. I am taking Pomegranite capsules (not the liquid) ..Anyone know how it compares?
Okay here is the question and the answer......
Dear Dr. Lamm,
> Thank you so much for your prompt reply. We went out and bought Garlic,
> Pomegranate and Selenium 200mg. Just one more question, should my husband
> plan on taking Oncovite as well as these other supplements for the rest of
> his life or just while he is being actively treated with BCG (or some
> months after treatments).
> His first 6 BCG treatments are over and we await the results of the next
> scope to determine additional treatment regimen. Sloan Kettering seems
> to have a different protocol for "maintenance". Your
> guidance......please. Pat
To: "" < @hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ask Dr. Lamm
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
Which BCG Maintenance Schedule? How long to take Oncovite?
I hate to sound egotistical, but my 3 week schedule is the only one that
has achieved statistically significant reduction of recurrence and
progression in a randomized clinical trial. I have since modified the
protocol, omitting the 30 month treatment and reducing the dose to 1/3,
because only 16% of patients received treatment at all scheduled times.
Keep on Oncovite and look for further highly significant results of this
vitamin in the future.
Don Lamm, MD
I just try and eat a healthy balance diet with loads of vegetable and fish and avoid the badies.I was going to say its always stood me in good stead but then I dont suppose it has has it.
Although other than BC I have rarely been ill gone through three pregnancies with no problems
and recovered really quickly.I am a firm believer that a healthy lifestyle is more important than artificially raising levels of certain substances but thats just me.
Love Claire x
Just as not all foods and drinks agree with everyone nor is best for their body system, neither are certain supplements, herbs, medicines right for everyone. Jean’s health food store owner and former oncology nurse is so correct to recommend certain things but give choices rather than advising her this or that is best. We can tune into what is the correct choice for us by "feels" right to us by trusting that “little voice within.” That divine spark and spirit within us. Identified by many as God, a saint, intuition or? I identify something that is correct for my system because it is presented to me over and over again from different and unrelated sources. Rosie
Joe, I really think, for those who have a strong belief, faith gets us through some pretty bad days. St. Peregrine and I have become very close in the last year.
If you look under alternative and chemo prevention you will find a thread I started about all the vitamins I take. I am still taking all of them, including the cats claw. It is the main herb to prevent bladder cancer and even though I am "cancer free" I feel it doesn't hurt to try and prevent a recurrence somewhere else. I am very fortunate to have a former oncology nurse who got her degree in nutrition and then in homeopathic remedies. She runs the health food store in our little town. She never "recommends" but suggests and you make up your own mind.
My best wishes for your continued good health.