Here we go - CIS & BCG

5 years 2 months ago #56767 by Jack R
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VH9246

Addressing the question of CIS and incontinence, based on my 3+ years of treating.

My bladder capacity shrinks by about 50 % following BCG, MMC, etc, and can take 2 to 3 months to recover - translating to more frequent trips to the bathroom. Treatment irritates the bladder = more frequent trips. Eventually the bladder rebels, and even more frequent trips. Eventually, for a little while things settle back down to near normal, then treatment begins again.

My solution is planning liquid consumption based on upcoming activities, knowing the location of clean accessible restrooms in the community, AND Depends, or your favorite store brand of "Adult Security Undergarments". Fancy word for a diaper.

Unfortunately, it seems to be one of the side effects of treatment.

Do check with the care team to make sure that there is not some organic cause for the incontinence. Always let the team know what you are doing, and where you need help.

Best
Jack

6/2015 HG Papillary & CIS
3 Years and 30 BCG/BCG+Inf
Tis CIS comes back.
BC clear as of 5/17 !
RCC found in my one & only kidney 10/17
Begin Chemo; Cisplatin and Gemzar
8/18 begin Chemo# 3
Begin year 4 with cis
2/19 Chemo #4
9/19 NED again :)
1/2020 CIS is back
Tried Keytruda, stopped by side effects
Workin on a new plan for 2021

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5 years 2 months ago #56766 by sara.anne
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Sorry...that question is "above my pay grade" and the only one who is familiar with your husband's issues is his doctor. I wouldn't be bashful about calling him/explaining the issues/and politely requesting solutions.

Sara Anne

Diagnosis 2-08 Small papillary TCC; CIS
BCG; BCG maintenance
Vice-President, American Bladder Cancer Society
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5 years 2 months ago #56764 by Vh9246
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Sara Ann,
You are so knowledgable about bladder cancer,BCG etc. I want to thank you for being so enlightened . By doing so your helping us who are new to understand this awful disease.
My husband has cis stage 0 , he went through the BCG treatments then 6 weeks later a scope . Dr told him it looked good and we will repeat the scope in 3 months. I believe it is every 3 months for two years then once a year after that. I will say he has some incontence now , dr said look at what we're doing to you. He gave him Mybetriq which is not only very expensive but it's not giving him the results he would like. Any input on this?
Thank you again for your time.

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5 years 2 months ago #56761 by sara.anne
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CYSTITIS CYSTICA is not an uncommon finding along with bladder cancer. It is sort of a vague condition of irritation, probably as a result of the cancer, and is not really of any concern. It is sort of like having an insect bite and the skin around it sort of getting irritated also. It was also part of my path diagnosis and we never even really talked about it. The CIS was the critical part and BCG fixed that!!

And with all due respect to your urologist, CIS is NOT pre-cancerous. It is, as you have read, one of the more dangerous forms of bladder cancer if left untreated.

Sara Anne

Diagnosis 2-08 Small papillary TCC; CIS
BCG; BCG maintenance
Vice-President, American Bladder Cancer Society
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5 years 2 months ago #56760 by Alan
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Regor,

You are certainly asking the right questions! At the same time and, I don't mean to sound flippant, I have also learned that I must trust the team I chose and simply forge ahead. With CIS you know you will be getting BCG. At the same time I would be asking your doc about extra irritation in cystitis should the BCG make thing worse or, he may be saying that the CIS causes it. I don't know. He is in charge.

Keep posting away. I have been traveling for a week and just catching up with posts.

The positive note is you should be on your way to looking back in 6 months and say this wasn't too bad. There are ALWAYS people in worse condition!

DX 5/6/2008 TAG3 papillary tumor .5 CM in size. 2 TURBS followed by 6 instillations of BCG weekly with a second round of 6 after a 6 week wait.

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5 years 2 months ago #56759 by Regor
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Thanks Anne.

It's very confusing for the laymen. We all read so much, and talk to our Doctors, read posts.
My Urologist has referred to my CIS as pre-cancerous, but in the same sentence will say I have Bladder Cancer.

I understand CIS (as it's own Stage (Tis) and the High Grade and urgency to get to my BCG, what I am really struggling with is the CYSTITIS as also found in my Pathology report. The Web has not been friendly to help me, and even searching here doesn't bring up a lot of past posts.

FINAL PATHOLOGIC DIAGNOSIS
A. Bladder, left lateral neck, biopsy
- FOLLICULAR CYSTITIS WITH CYSTITIS CYSTICA


B. Bladder, left posterior neck, biopsy
- UROTHELIAL CARCINOMA IN SITU
- BACKGROUND OF FOLLICULAR CYSTITIS

TURBT Jan 2019; Diag: CIS
Induction BCG (Mar 19) /Maint BCG (Aug 19)
TURBT Nov 2019; Diag: CIS
Repeat Induction BCG - Jan 2020 Complete

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