What does this all mean?

17 years 1 month ago #3958 by Mike
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Tim is correct here on the diathermy thing here the difinition is "The use of heat to destroy abnormal cells. Also called electrodiathermy". Learn something new everyday here which is why I stop in everyday :) Regards, Joe

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17 years 1 month ago #3954 by timb
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Vanceman

Welcome! Hope this helps:-

You can burn one off with a laser and urologists here (UK) also use something called a diathermy loop which uses electric current to  cut out divots from the bladder lining and is used to extract tumours and cauterises simultaneously. I'm sure I've had very small tumours burnt off whole - but I guess only when they are sure they are ok as I don't think they make great biopsy samples. Those are the ones I know - anyone else? I think your wife is right about the oncologist angle, I'm under a uro-oncologist which makes me happy that all bases are covered. If you're happy with him though, that's what's important.

Flattish tumour; could be a cessile (flat) tumour or CIS (carcinoma in situ) but I wouldn't really like to say as there's not much to go on with that description. "a form of chemo treatment" may indicate the latter (cis is often treated with BCG - a wash containing a strain of TB to stimulate an immune response) but again there isn't lot to go on here. It could just be a flat tumour and he may be considering a wash with mitomycin (an antibiotic that targets particular cells).

Two great expressions here are "non invasive" and "low grade". Tumours are graded 1 -3 (1 being highest) and this dictates the aggressiveness of the tumour. I don't like the word aggressive as it isn't always necessarily true but it describes how unlike the original source (bladder cells) the tumour cells have become and how likely it would be to spread given the chance. Non-invasive means it's probably a low stage cancer and this is very important in seeing how far it's gone. yours sounds superficial which is good news. Stages go from Ta (superficial), T1 T2 etc and various points between. A Ta tumours "roots" don't go any further than the bladder lining (epithelium) later stages go further through the different layers until they reach a layer where they can access lymphatics and bloodstream - thus the rest of the body. Stage can have a massive bearing (more than grade in some ways) on how you're treated and if a late stage is indicated can mean more aggressive treatment as it may point to a greater likelihood of spread. Doesn't sound like this is your situation at all. This information would be useful for us here. Not that we're doctors or anything like it but it may get you some helpful feedback on other people's experiences.

The first tumour you describe - papillary - means it has a stalk. If you look at these under a scope they look like seaweed, quite innocent looking really. The size of yours is kind of average or slightly bigger in my experience. but while size can be important it often isn't. the last tumour I had - the one which I made the decision to have my bladder removed on (it was high grade) was teeeny. Like a pinhead. the frequency, location and number of recurrences may also have a bearing on your treatment over time.  A1 to A4...haven't a clue! Anyone?


I think your assessment is broadly correct and, while it's always best not to worry if you can (it rarely achieves much but is hard to avoid!) make sure you keep on top of things and keep asking questions. Don't be afraid of second opinions and hurting your docs feelings. It's still a cancer you're dealing with. The fact you've posted here indicates that you're on the case. Keep asking questions.

Here's a link to another page on this site with useful information on staging and grading. Have a good look around; there's lots of useful stuff on here. It's not everyone's bag but knowledge is power. You may even find out what A1 - A4 is !  :)

blcwebcafe.org/staging.asp

All the best

Tim

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17 years 1 month ago #3953 by Patricia
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Well i've never heard of burning a tumor off.....thats a new one. Tim ever heard of that one?......It never hurts to get a second opinion from a uro-oncologist. Pat

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17 years 1 month ago #3950 by vanceman
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Hello Everyone...

I have ben looking for a source of infomation such as this board for a long time! Glad to be here....

Little history:

Male-41 yrs old
Married
Lots of Children (4)


I have read many different responses here, my situation is very similar to others such as the early stages of blood in the urine.

I finally went to the doctor and after many wrong diagnosis's of urinary tract infections, etc---

In 11/05 I  was  scheduled for a cystoscope that resulted in the following ......

multible brownish pink granualr tissue fragments measuring 3.5 x 2.5 x 1.2 cm. The specimen is entirely submitted in "A1 to A4"
Urinary Bladder Tumor--Low Grade Papillary, urothelial Carcinoma, Non Invasive.

Yesterday upon one of my follow up visits---The doctor said that he removed a small flat tumor slightly larger than his finger nail by "burning" it off. He indicated that if my next visit showed anything--it would result in a form of chemo treatment.

Upon the latest news, my wife is pressuring me into seeing an onocoligist---I however, feel that my Uroloigist has ben doing fine--

If my understanding is clear, I have a very moderate "low worry" case of BC here and maybe a better knowledge of the condition than that of my wife----

Any suggestions, advice?  

Many thanks in advance for your help!
Ron

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